The democrats will just pick another stinker. How do you think we got Biden in the first place?

The two party system needs to be fixed before we will see any actually good candidates.

Go for it. It was already an old, long dead meme when I posted it here.

This but corps

Agreed. Though it has crossed my mind that the in universe explanation for why the Federation is so enlightened and willing to care for all of its citizens because of the horrors Earth went through.

But yeah, definitely would like to avoid WW3/the Bell Riots.

Warhammer is for the tabletop. Anything more is a living nightmare.

Don’t worry! WW3 will be preceeded by the Bell Riots, a collection of revolts by people treated inhumanely and stuck in slums. It will be a fun little distraction before the fireworks. It’s even got it’s own count down now!

According to Star Trek lore, WW3 will begin in 3 years, and last for 27 years.

Buckle up.

First, you’re going to need some sort of evidence to back up this claim.

It’s in their interest to exaggerate, and they are under the control of a terrorist organization.

Second, Hamas isn’t who is publishing these numbers.

My understanding is that the only people tracking & publishing the numbers is the Palestinian health ministry, which is under the control of Hamas. Everyone else is just saying “Gaza’s health ministry said X” and such.

Yeah. Definitely place sole blame on hamas instead of the people intentionally bombing civilians.

Dude, I am this 🤏 close to being banned in another community for daring to say that the current event is a genocide of palestinians.

I’m not denying anything, let alone for the sake of convenience. I’m not apathetic. All I’m saying is, is that the current numbers are probably not completely accurate.

I also explicitly said that the current estimate is probably not far off.

I haven’t heard anything from a third party, and no doubt hamas is exagerating to some degree, but whatever the actual numbers are, I wouldn’t think the current estimate of ~20,000 is far off. Israel is intentionally bombing civilians, so the estimated number sounds fairly reasonable to me.

Easier to confirm, is the proportion of women & children. About half the population of Palestine is children, and about half are women. So ~75% being women or children also fits.

Civilians are pretty much everywhere alongside Hamas members who are usually between them.

Yeah, so maybe they should stop dropping bombs.

Israeli actions wouldn’t be similar to any of them.

Not only is this not true, but even if it were, as I’ve already pointed out it doesn’t need to be similar. A genocide can be totally unique yet still fall under the definition of genocide.

It’s impossible not to kill civilians in such a conflict when the area you are fighting in is a densely populated city

But it is possible to not drop bombs on areas you KNOW civilians are at.

Of course genocide is not defined by numbers. However, all genocides should have some traits in common.

This is also not a part of the definition of genocide.

How should Israel respond?

I get that there are unused ways of minimizing civilian deaths

Seems like you already know the answer to that question. Yet for some reason you’re giving Israel a free pass for killing civilians. So effectively you’re just arguing for terrorism. State terrorism, but terrorism nonetheless.

Good people don’t kill civilians.

I agree that genocides have different flavors but the results of all is a completely or partially removed ethnicity. By saying partially, I mean roughly 40% killed or moved to a detention facility.

The definition of genocide contains no percentage threshold. You’re making definitions up out of thin air.

Most of those deaths happen due to the lack shelters and lack of places where people can hide.

…and the bombs landing on their heads.

If Israel wanted to genocide Palestinians, they would have done it in a week.

Not all genocides are done with equal fervor.

Also, they would not have to be dead if Hamas didn’t start this.

This was started in 1948 when Palestinians were forced from their homes. Playing a game of “who started it” doesn’t justify anything.

it’s more of an approach where they no longer try as much to limit civilian causalities as much as possible.

Yeah… almost like they are totally OK with killing civilians (genocide).

it’s probably more than 20k. What does it prove though?

See above definition on genocide. If thousands of dead Palestinian civilians (~50% of whom are children) isn’t enough to be labeled as genocide then the definition you are using is a bad one.

Judging which bomb is purposefully thrown on civilians is impossible.

Are you saying that when Israel bombed the Jabalia refugee camp, they were not intentionally killing civilians?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/israeli-airstrikes-kill-80-in-palestinian-refugee-camp

How many Palestinian civilians have been killed?

How many bombs have been intentionally dropped on civilians?

in whole or in part

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

In Israel, citizens are equal. Muslims and others have the same rights as Jews.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-rights-watch/

It is an ethnostate, by definition it does not treat people equally.

You also conveniently ignored the fact that they are committing genocide.

Ethnostates are inherently immoral, regardless of which race they are. Everyone should be treated equally under the law, regardless of race. Nobody should be a 2nd class citizen, apartheid is immoral.

And that’s all before counting the ongoing genocide.