Hey, I found this article on Lemmy as well with more info. Thought you might be interested in reading it. Have a good one!

https://www.commondreams.org/news/the-amsterdam-pogrom-that-wasn-t-corporate-media-fails-to-tell-the-whole-story

Sorry for the delayed reply here, but thanks for taking what I said as it was meant. Definitely not excusing anyone here just looking for a reason beyond basal hatred.

Some of those details you relayed I was unaware of and they certainly play against these perpetrators to a greater degree. Thanks for including that info. It almost seems like (as expected of any large group) there is a mixture of degrees. The ones specifically hunting jews instead of targeting the problematic israelis are much further away from being just upset. Something worse is troubling those people and they are firmly in the group I’d call racist. Definitely a difficult situation. Upset people are being grouped in with opportunist racists and nothing good comes of any of it.

This is just an opinion, so take it with that in mind. I think the reason they said “jew hunt” and other similarly gross language is because a group of Israelis were behaving in a greatly offensive manner. And because these people were offended by these Israelis, they used language offensive to israelis in return.

It’s not uncommon for hurt people to lash out and act in an offensive manner. I don’t think that makes it anti semetic though. Or at least it’s different from purposeful antisemitism which hates based on them being jews. This is anger based on them being insufferable cunts. And I really think that’s an important distinction. You can’t say that Isaraelis can never be hated. You can’t say that about any group. No one is permanently exempt from being hated based in their actions. Some groups earn their hate and these ones certainly earned what they got. Whether they deserved what they earned is debatable though.

I think their party should be banned and all funds currently donated and accounts related should be redirected to counter facism efforts and education.

Yeah understandable, and I agree. They might have been in the process of getting a contract with a gov or similar large client that had a nationality requirement as part of the requirements too. I’m not trying to defend them though, just probing at other potential reasons for their move that may not be entirely visible from what they seem on the surface.

I don’t think they assume everyone is a spy. I think it’s that they aren’t confident in their ability to weed them out. Still seems extreme but really depends on the confidentiality of their work.

Please don’t misunderstand me. I’m absolutely all for bothering people because it’s needed for change. But there are more and less effective ways to do that. Trashing art thatcis unrelated really seems less effective. Effective to a point, but less effective overall. You mentioned there have been protests at the appropriate places, and I admit I only know a handful. Do you have examples where people have damaged say, a corrupt politicians car? Or perhaps blocked the street where a lobbyist lives? Or maybe thrown red paint or buckets of organ meat and offal on the steps of the supreme court and picketed about the damages they’ve caused to womens rights?

If they have been doing outlandish things to the politicians and places of government, then I’m sorry. I haven’t noticed and I will agree it’s come time to demonstrate elsewhere. I will add that if that’s truly the case, I wish they’d say so when doing these stunts.

It’s not a productive discourse though. They draw the ire of everyone doing something so senseless, and that in turn causes damage to the progress of their cause because people don’t want to support them.

An anecdotal example is that I agree with some of their sentiments but I will never support them because they do stupid ineffectual nonsense like this. Take your protests to the places that control these issues. Not a fucking art gallery.

I fuckin hate Israel. I hate even more that so many countries openly support their genocide. Fuckin heinous.

Even beyond the grave he gets no respect.

German culture always struck me as particularly hard to navigate for anyone with ADHD. Viele Glück Damen and Herren. And forgive my potentially bad german grammar. Lol

Patriot system. Already proven to fuck up hypersonic shit

Yeah, I get crabby and down if I dwell on it too much. So instead I bottle it up and let it fester. Surely that won’t be an issue. I like your username BTW, that’s awesome.

Don’t think I have heard of those. I will check into them.

Nothing. Nothing has worked. I am fucking exhausted trying to figure out how to work with it or strategize against it and nothing fucking works. Fuck meds, fuck therapy, fuck psychiatry, fuck all the “just meditate and find a claiming center and ‘enter inane unhelpful bullshit here’”. Fuck it all. Nothing. Fucking. Works. I fucking hate it.

Good luck OP. I hope you have better luck than me.

All the more confirmation that I need to leave America.

Some sure. But you run into that in other countries too. This is coming from a well-traveled American, so take it however you like. Just saying we don’t exclusively nor universally deserve that title.

America is stupid for excessive guns. But this is stupid in the other direction. Talk about over policing. Fuck me this is stupid

DDOS against a little self hosted instance isn’t really a concern I’d have. I’d be more concerned with the scraping of private information, ransomware, password compromises, things of that nature. If you keep your edge devices on the latest security patches and you are cognizant on what you are exposing and how, you’ll be fine.

Well that’s fuckin adorable.