I honestly don’t know. True or not, though, it’s an interesting idea!

Yeah. What the hell were the plaintiffs supposed to do? How do you get proof of something like this? Break into an exec’s office? Hack an auto manufacturer’s network?

Oh, wait a sec. Evidence that’s acquired illegally generally isn’t admissible. So even those ridiculous plans wouldn’t work. I guess the best we can do is wait until the harm is done, and then hope there’s a sloppy enough paper trail to unequivocally prove exactly who did it.

Apparently, that’s MUCH better than using some common sense.

An auto manufacturer, who has no business snooping on your texts in the first place, should not have permission to keep copies of them. Ever. It’s an absurdly obvious question. The plaintiffs shouldn’t have to prove they’ve been harmed. The auto manufacturers should have to prove that their intentions benefit all customers, AND that those benefits outweigh the risks.

And no, advertising that’s specifically targeted at my perceived needs and interests doesn’t count as a “benefit”. Sorry not sorry.

I’m going to assume this judge hasn’t been unduly influenced.

This looks like a classic case of following the letter of the law, while ignoring the spirit of the law. The law seems like it’s intended to punish harmful violations of privacy. No reasonable person can conclude that the sale of tens (or hundreds) of thousands of people’s private data is entirely harmless, but that’s what this judge did.

US courts often take “reasonable” assumptions into account when making judgments or issuing sentences. Just because the plaintiffs couldn’t actually prove specific damage is no reason to assume it didn’t/won’t happen.

To me, it should only “matter” for technical reasons - to help find the root of the problem and fix it at the source. If your roof is leaking, then fix the roof. Don’t become an expert on where to place the buckets.

You’re right, though. It doesn’t matter in terms of excusing or justifying anything. It shouldn’t have been allowed to happen in the first place.

Something as simple and obvious as this makes me wonder what other hidden biases are just waiting to be discovered.

lol at “unpleasantly impress”

“Hey, baby, Elon Musk says we should fuck.”

I have no idea who those two guys in the background are, but I feel sorry for them anyway just because they’re there.

Interesting (and disturbing) contrast. I haven’t done any programming, so I appreciate the perspective!

Thank you! I was starting to wonder if I simply expressed myself poorly, but you explained what I was trying to ask about. Now I get it!

Did you mean to reply to me? You’re kind of asking what I’m asking. I wouldn’t imagine there’s a “first dose” if the website is shitty and annoying to use. Instead of dopamine, wouldn’t there be bad memories and unpleasant associations?

I don’t have an account on any of their stuff, but even I recognize that this is a nice burn.

Okay, I have no problem admitting I’m naïve on the subject. If I guessed wrong, though, what is addiction about? It’s hard for me to imagine getting addicted to something you aren’t likely to use and don’t like.

Sure, I can see people changing their mind about something once they’re already addicted, but that’s not the same thing.

I’m the last person who would leap to Meta’s defense, but I gotta ask: how, exactly, does one draw the line between a service being addictive and one that’s just well designed and pleasant to use?

I wouldn’t want this lawsuit to discourage quality web design.

I didn’t realize a B-52 had never landed in South Korea before. I would have assumed it had already happened enough times to be completely unremarkable.

I understand your point. The authoritarianism and lack of respect for freedom of speech was what I had in mind, not international relations.

Careful, France, this sounds like something a Trump supporter would come up with.

Good. I hope people and organizations keep leaving.

Yeesh. If Braverman said nothing at all, it would have been better than trying to make a joke of it.

I misunderstood. If you’re participating in the process and doing what you believe in, that’s cool.