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  • Agreed the claim of Europeans on land of Palestine is bullshit.

    Who are you replying to? This is basically the exact opposite of what I wrote.

    Zionists achieved the land by force and have only expanded like a cancer.

    First gained by diplomacy, then by force. Unless you can kick them out (you can’t) there’s nothing you can do about it.

    Two methods of handling the situation: the Palestinian method (“let’s chuck rockets at them non-stop, and then cry when they retaliate with overwhelming force”) or the Egyptian and Jordanian method (“fuck it, let’s just have civil relations, verging on an alliance”).

    You people keep saying that it’s impossible to have peace with Israel - Jordan and Egypt seem to disagree. Shit, Jordan was actively shooting down Iranian missiles when Israel was under attack!

    I don’t think 35% of the population would be considered as most.

    Yeah, if you take statistics about something completely different than what we’re talking about, you can get that kind of number, true. Here’s something relevant, however: Likud has around 20% in election polls.





  • So now they have the right to displace the people who are living there

    They started off fully mixed, but that didn’t work, and both parties involved are to blame here. The clear solution was to separate them, yes.

    genocide them

    No. Where did that come from…?

    So by your logic, US should give the land back to the native Americans. Or does might makes right.

    See, that’s the thing - by my logic, all the “historically this land was XYZ” is bullshit, and the only actual right to hold land comes from either diplomatic or military power. That’s how it always worked throughout history and only nationalist/genocidal maniacs ever talk about “historical rights”, everyone else just moves on.

    Palestine AND Israel have the right to their own nation, and they both managed to achieve that through diplomacy. Later, Israel kept its land through military power, even when attacked by literally every country it shared borders with.

    They are not the genocidal maniacs. They have right to stay just as the Palestinians

    You might be surprised, but most Israelis aren’t. In fact, most Israelis want to get rid of Netanyahu and his clique.



  • Israel in its present avatar didn’t exist before the British have it to Europeans

    Yeah, same with Palestine.

    The land was taken from Arabs who were living under the Ottoman rules.

    Who took the land from Jews/Israelis.

    There were Jews living there but were a minority.

    Because they were persecuted and forced into exile, yes.

    Yet it allowed for the theocratic colony of Israel to continue is genocide.

    You keep using that word, but I don’t think you understand what it means.

    Palestine went from a population of 600k to 5 million in the span of 100 years. That’s a faster growth than Denmark. If that’s “genocide”, then, my god, it has to be the most incompetent genocide in the history of our species, considering it worked backwards.

    The only way to ensure peace in Middle East is for Israel to not exist and all the Europeans go back to their own countries.

    Or, and hear me out, a strong contingent of culturally-neutral forces that ensure no settlers take land from Palestine, the prosecution of said settlers, the proper establishment of the rule of law and democracy in Palestine (last elections in 2008 due to Hamas’ theocratic authoritarianism).

    And, please, stop with this ridiculous “Europeans”. Or, if you don’t, I’ll start calling Palestinians “Iranians”. Makes as much sense. Deal?



  • Let me get this straight - a nation gets kicked out of their homeland, they become, effectively, wanderers, they travel through the ages through the entirety of Europe always believing they will one day return home, but… since it’s been however many generations, they now no longer have the right to return?

    What’s the cut-off number of generations where you can no longer call something your home, when your ancestors were forcefully kicked out?

    (also, we’re conveniently forgetting about the 100-300k Israelis/Jews that remained in current-day Israel and the Region of Palestine throughout those generations, I’m just wondering what’s your take on the right to live in a place)


  • Majority of Jews are Europeans because they got kicked out of their home in the 15th-16th century.

    But now we have a conundrum! You’re saying that “State of Israel has no relation to it other than name”, and that is - from what I understand - your argument towards there being no Israel as the solution to the issues, right?

    But that means Palestine should be eliminated too considering it never existed as a nation at all in the entire history of humanity.

    So, which is it? Are we keeping your methodology and giving back the entire territory to Iran, or are we agreeing that it’s stupid fucking methodology?