Is it? I’m spending my own money on 4 currently bottom tier AI subscriptions (fucking hell I’m not gonna pay 200€ a month for one sub) that I’m trying out and working on 3-4 projects in parallel. Lots of experimentation been done in my own time to get things working nicely too. I won’t say I deliver 3-4x as much work in the same time because obviously I don’t, I have to double check everything and with small things the AI is slower than I am… But even just 50% more work is 50% more money.
The alternative is going and saying “hey I want 50% more money per hour because I deliver 50% more work in the same timeframe now” and my employer telling me to pound sand because that puts me over what they charge for my work when they rent me out. Instead I bill them more and they bill their customers more and nobody needs to raise their rates.
This probably is a best case scenario for AI usage being a productivity boost, I’m not forced to use it (and often don’t), my employer/customer is okay with me billing extra hours IFF I’m getting things done in less time than reasonable estimates. Their customers still get the things done in the costs (hours) that they agreed to.
Well that is such a unique case. I’ve never heard any employer being okay with clocking hours that were not actually worked. And in your case it’s essentially just a raise with extra steps.
Government RFP states that they’ll pay 25€ for an hour of software engineering work at most, for an example. You already know nobody is breaking even on less than AT LEAST 35€ an hour considering the salary + other expenses of having an employee, and yet companies send in proposals. How? Because they’ll just bill more hours to make up for the difference.
Similar things happen in the private sector, but to a smaller degree because the rates are higher to start with.
None of it is on paper for anyone whatsoever. But you just know that if your company has been getting the same hourly rate from a vendor for many years, they’re probably invoicing you more than an hour per hour as their engineers get more experienced and inflation goes up.
The flip-side is that sometimes I’ll overthink a task, completely restart it realizing I wasted an entire day on it and it should’ve been 2 hours. I’ll then take some hours off, the bill ends up being between what I think it should’ve taken and what it actually took me.
But this is not what that discussion is about. The person above said that the employees should pay their AI usage with part of their salaries. We’re not talking about freelancing or similar.
When I’m employed for 100k a year, 40h per week, I can’t just only work 20h per week, but claiming to have worked 40h. My employer would not be very happy about that, because my pay is not directly bound to the amount of deliverables I create but how many hours I actually work.
And with AI they just hope, that I get the work of 60h done in only 40h. If I just work less without disclosing it and someone finds out, I could say goodbye to my job and probably also get sued.
He doesn’t have a point. I have him tagged as kremlin shill. He’s always out here licking russian boots with no logic besides spite for the west. Not worth engaging with in serious discussion.
relevant Pic though, as Ai has really boobiefied padme. like GOTDayum
No, from yours
What a stupid take. Why should employee then even consider using it, when the cost for it would directly reduce their salary?
Personally I do it to clock more hours than I’ve actually done, why else?
Well that’s just working-hour fraud, you can do that even without using AI.
Is it? I’m spending my own money on 4 currently bottom tier AI subscriptions (fucking hell I’m not gonna pay 200€ a month for one sub) that I’m trying out and working on 3-4 projects in parallel. Lots of experimentation been done in my own time to get things working nicely too. I won’t say I deliver 3-4x as much work in the same time because obviously I don’t, I have to double check everything and with small things the AI is slower than I am… But even just 50% more work is 50% more money.
The alternative is going and saying “hey I want 50% more money per hour because I deliver 50% more work in the same timeframe now” and my employer telling me to pound sand because that puts me over what they charge for my work when they rent me out. Instead I bill them more and they bill their customers more and nobody needs to raise their rates.
This probably is a best case scenario for AI usage being a productivity boost, I’m not forced to use it (and often don’t), my employer/customer is okay with me billing extra hours IFF I’m getting things done in less time than reasonable estimates. Their customers still get the things done in the costs (hours) that they agreed to.
Well that is such a unique case. I’ve never heard any employer being okay with clocking hours that were not actually worked. And in your case it’s essentially just a raise with extra steps.
It’s how all contracting works around here.
Government RFP states that they’ll pay 25€ for an hour of software engineering work at most, for an example. You already know nobody is breaking even on less than AT LEAST 35€ an hour considering the salary + other expenses of having an employee, and yet companies send in proposals. How? Because they’ll just bill more hours to make up for the difference.
Similar things happen in the private sector, but to a smaller degree because the rates are higher to start with.
None of it is on paper for anyone whatsoever. But you just know that if your company has been getting the same hourly rate from a vendor for many years, they’re probably invoicing you more than an hour per hour as their engineers get more experienced and inflation goes up.
The flip-side is that sometimes I’ll overthink a task, completely restart it realizing I wasted an entire day on it and it should’ve been 2 hours. I’ll then take some hours off, the bill ends up being between what I think it should’ve taken and what it actually took me.
But this is not what that discussion is about. The person above said that the employees should pay their AI usage with part of their salaries. We’re not talking about freelancing or similar.
When I’m employed for 100k a year, 40h per week, I can’t just only work 20h per week, but claiming to have worked 40h. My employer would not be very happy about that, because my pay is not directly bound to the amount of deliverables I create but how many hours I actually work.
And with AI they just hope, that I get the work of 60h done in only 40h. If I just work less without disclosing it and someone finds out, I could say goodbye to my job and probably also get sued.
Exactly
But the employers want their employees to use it, (because of some unfounded promises about performance boosts). So I don’t really get your point.
He doesn’t have a point. I have him tagged as kremlin shill. He’s always out here licking russian boots with no logic besides spite for the west. Not worth engaging with in serious discussion.
Makes sense, thanks for the heads-up. I’ll tag them myself.
Employees will be motivated by doing less actual labour