So are terrorists supposed to be only of adult male?
ah yes, the 7200 terrorists, including hundreds of child terrorists. the two and a half 9/11 deaths worth of terrorists
i’m sure most of those are legitimate imprisonments that aren’t at all human rights violations, despite many of those people all not having any charges associated with their arrests. i’m sure the vastly unequal treatment of palestinians vs israelis that includes an indefinite time in captivity facing physical abuse and strip searches along with things like public and private gatherings of 10 or more people being illegal for specifically palestinians isn’t anything to worry about
So you’re saying that israel doesn’t have any right to protect their own people? I think you forgot to read the fact that these “childrens” must’ve done something to be put into prison or detention, either because they did some crime against israeli or by illegally staying in israel. Do you think they’re too stupid to purposely want to be hated by the whole world by jailing innocent childrens??
I think you forgot to read the fact that these “children” must’ve done something to be put in prison or detention, either because they did some crime against israeli or by illegally staying in israel. Do you think they’re too stupid to purposely want to be hated by the whole world by jailing innocent childrens?
Bless your heart.
You think they give two shits about me and you hating them? They barely care what the US thinks of them, as long as the US remains a useful idiot that’ll veto any chance at accountability.
Netanyahu is on the record of calling the US a puppet:
I know what America is […]America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in the way.
Netanyahu is one person. If you think that a whole organization from top to bottom left and right are being complicit in jailing innocent civilians. You don’t truly understand the complexity of human nature.
So you’re saying that israel doesn’t have any right to protect their own people?
Lol, this is hilarious when you consider Israel and the western world directly funded Hamas and intentionally caused his rise to power. Israel has been causing the immense suffering of Palestinians as well as muslims who are Israeli (who are second-class citizens and treated as subhuman) for decades, but they never got the “right” to defend themselves, they couldn’t defend themselves even if they wanted because they would get obliterated by a vastly superior military might. A radical reactionary government is an obvious response to a greater power oppressing them, genocidal maniacs create genocidal maniacs. Israel doesn’t give a shit about its citizens nor “self-defense”, their government wants an excuse to genocide & subjugate peoples they don’t like and take their land. It’s the modern world, you can find all the evidence like videos you want of the Israeli military blatantly committing war crimes and executing unarmed Palestinians like animals, that is not self-defense.
I think you forgot to read the fact that these “childrens” must’ve done something to be put into prison or detention, either because they did some crime against israeli
Actually no, I’m clearly the one that did the reading here because if you actually knew anything about the detention of Palestinians & other groups in Palestine, you would know that the concentration camps they’re put in don’t require any actual crimes to be committed for them to be held captive there, and there are thousands in those camps who aren’t charged with any crime at all and who weren’t arrested for a crime.
or by illegally staying in israel.
You mean the non-Israeli land that Israel is illegally occupying?
Do you think they’re too stupid to purposely want to be hated by the whole world by jailing innocent childrens??
You think other countries give a shit about crimes against humanity? They’re perfectly willing to turn a blind eye if it’s from a country they support, Germany is too afraid of seeming anti-semitic to tolerate any criticism of Israel and Israel is too strategically and ideologically important to the US (and mang others) for the US to actually take a real stance against them. Many Europeans are also fiercly anti-muslim, spurred from anti-immigrant sentiment due to a lot of 3rd worlders fleeing to Europe. And most of the other countries that are protesting their crimes against humanity don’t exactly affect Israel that much anyways, they rely mostly on countries like the US, China, Germany, etc. Many Israel-aligned countries committed and still commit war crimes all the time, and they don’t give a shit when others do it (like Vietnam when first France and then the US completely fucked up Vietnam and its environment all starting from wanting to maintain imperial holdings and then wanting to destroy the government most people supported, and the UK and rest of the NATO-aligned world supported this injustice, only Sweden protested but it didn’t change much), they only sometimes pretend to care when it’s politically or strategically beneficial.
A little horrors beyond human comprehension won’t affect relations with strongly allied or even in some cases separately-aligned nations much – remember that most of the white world, including the UK and US, was fine with or mostly apathetic towards the persecution of Jews (often turning away Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany when the ethnic cleansing was starting) until the people persecuting Jews attacked them or their allies. They didn’t take action because it would threaten their international relations. Plus look, the US unjustly jails people constantly at a much higher rate than the rest of the world including both the “civilized” and “uncivilized” countries, and for an unreasonably long duration for a lot of crimes many of which shouldn’t even be crimes, but it’s not like that is something the rest of the world actually cares about enough to do anything about.
Which land does israel occupies actually? I mean prior to this war. Gaza? Or the West Bank? Each have their own local authority and they conduct their own election (supposedly, but none was held for such a long time because of their own despute), they have their own constitution, a president and a prime minister. So can you tell me which part are being occupied?
How much do you see israel as a demon, that you cannot think of them as people who are trying to survive? I don’t know where you live, but what would you do if some of your neighbour keep trying to kill one of your family? Knowing that they once brought the whole neighbourhood to attack your home. Should you just let them do as they please?
As rule of war, israel should claim all the land of palestine, from the river to the sea, because they won the war. But they actually gave back gaza and the west bank to the palestinian, and let them have their own government. What more do you expect them to do?
are we suppose to take the label “terrorist” serious when it comes to the israelis? just because israel labels someone a terrorist it doesn’t make it true.
but i know your thought process. it is based on the false premisse that israel is not a terrorist state.
if israel arrests you on the charges of terrorism it doesn’t make you a terrorist. it makes you an enemy to a “terrorist state”. you can use terror and be a terrorist when fighting israel, but just because you get arrested by idf, it doesn’t automatically makes you a terrorist, imho.
Define terrorist.
uses terror to achieve political goal.
Okay, so how can you relate that definition with what both sides are doing? I mean from a non-bias perspective.
Some guy gets his house burned down. Its terrible, so they find him a new home: its a room in your house. New roommate is intent on getting you to move out so he can take the whole house. He makes it clear that the two of you can never be equals, and that god wants him to have the house. It starts with petty psychological shit but its clear he’s trying to start a confrontation. You retaliate, he retaliates, it becomes a mess of you guys slinging shit. At the end of the day, you were minding your own business, who can blame you for defending yourself. You’ve both done awful shit but you were doing your own thing until this guy came along and declared himself owner of your house.
Thats how I look at isreal/palestine. Hamas is awful. But when you oppress millions of people you can’t be that surprised when some of them become ruthless maniacs hellbent on getting out from under your rule. Just put yourself in Palestinian’s shoes and ask yourself if you’d be alright with it.
Al Queda was terrible too, but we brought it upon ourselves invading the middle east. You can’t crush people under an iron fist and expect them to be cool with it.
I think you got your history messed up. The roommate has always been there and the landlord at that time intended for both of you to live side by side, but you refused, and brought your neighbours to attack your roommate but your roomate emerged victorious. Your neighbour then took part of your room before your roommate took them back. Some times later, your roommate gave it back to you, but you keep threatening to eliminate your roommate. So your roommate had no choice but to prevent you from killing them.
If you see history as it is, you’ll get a new perspective on how events unfold. Undeniably hamas is a terrorists organization who hides behind innocent civilians, and israel is exaggerated in their response, but I can see from their point of view because I see history as it is. This is a war between israel and hamas, and like any other war, unfortunately there are casualties among the civilians (which is very difficult to prevent as long as hamas hides behind them).
Sure, all religious groups in the area have had ties and claims to Jerusalem for Millenia, but the actual nation of Israel was founded in 1948.
If you found a nation on a contested holy site and try to push all the other religious groups out, you will have a huge amount of radical and violent resistance, i’m not really going to support you either.
If the situation was reversed, and the middle east was dominated by jews instead or muslims, and Israel was instead a (somewhat) recently-founded muslim nation surrounded by jewish ones, I wouldn’t feel too bad for the muslim nation that decided to set up shop there and make it your holy capital or something.
Its awful, and the whole religious side of things makes this a never-ending war with no real “moral victor”, but its just hard for me to pretend I don’t see the ridiculousness in all of this. A radical militant group kills/kidnaps 2000 isrealis and the response is to kill 15,000+ palestinians with not just tacit approval but full-blown military support from the largest world powers. We are not even talking about “an eye for an eye making the whole world blind”, we’re talking about trading an eye for a whole human body.
Should Israel have responded? Absolutely. I’m not going to say it should have even been a peaceful response. But what’s happening now is a clear over-correction, a clear attempt to both weaken the Palestinian state as a whole and the Palestinian people themselves. It will breed more violence, and you will inadvertently create groups more radical than hamas, who will point to this and say “they did not go far enough”. The Palestinian people need to reject hamas on their own, and this isn’t going to cause that.
clearly, we should boycott, ~~de-invest ~~ Divestment and sanction israel. just like we do with hamas and the pa.
And we should condemn hamas for the evil things they’ve done.
everyday, in fact international security agencies should do more to help. in fact greater israel should be a international nation new home of the united nations. the us should invade to establish a cease fire until this is established. it is the only way to stop the blood shed. from both sides. after all israeli settlers can’t be left without protection until the law is the same for all greater israel citizens.
