I’m willing to try one more time with you.

Oh how gracious! Thank you!

Your point was that after electing Trump, the only thing that changes is “rhetoric, the only thing that matters to some people”, and I disagreed by citing examples of how our rights were rolled back during his previous term. This means I am saying, “you’re wrong - it’s not just rhetoric that changes. It’s also our rights as Americans.”

Yeah, I’m aware. And as it turns out ALL of the things you can cite for Trump are ALSO things you can cite for NOT TRUMP, as I did by citing examples of how our rights are rolled back, attacked, diminished, and destroyed under prior administrations including Biden’s.

This means I am saying “our rights” are constantly being harmed regardless of who is in office and that the only that changes is the framing and lens, which includes the rhetoric as well as the particular strategies of harm that result in harm being targeted in specific ways. It’s not less harm under Democrats, it’s not less harm other NOT TRUMP, it’s just different framing.

I understand that you’re severely critical of the Democratic party

If that’s your understanding, then you’re not understanding. I’m severely critical of the entire American project along its entire continuum of existence and absolutely every single leader that has ever been elected. I’ll take that one step further so you understand how far off you are - I denounce the entirety of the colonial system that gave birth to and is continued by the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the rest of the British Commonwealth abroad, and the foreign holdings of all European countries, their leaders, their parties-in-power, their owning classes, and their supporting militaries, academies, religious institutions, and NGOs.

Do you get it now?

but are you really willing to say that the only measurable change to our society during a second Trump term is rhetoric? It’s going to get a lot of people killed, man. You should care about that.

I CHALLENGE you to attempt to catalog the number of people who died as a result of each administration for the last 20 administrations and see if you can find ANY evidence that who is president matters at all along that dimension. Clinton bombed Yugoslavia. Bush destroyed Iraq. Obama destroyed Libya. The Afghanistan affair spanned 20 fucking year. Ukraine is the direct result of the US arming and training Ukraine and expanding nuclear NATO as part of a project that started under Clinton. Trump literally was the first president to approve arms transfers to Ukraine as part of the escalation ladder that led to Biden overseeing the continued expansion of NATO. But it was under Obama that John McCain ® and Victoria Nuland (?D?) went to Ukraine to participate in the violent transfer of power that started with training and organizing fascists and ended with Right Sector storming the capitol with gun drawn.

And that’s to say nothing of the non-stop destruction of water, land, and food of the indigenous people across the Americas, the residential schools that were overseen by both parties over many decades, the forced sterilization overseen by both parties over many decades, the incarceration and ensnaring-in-poverty of the black population overseen by both parties over many decades.

I won’t get pulled into the weeds with you. Either backpedal or admit that you were wrong, or I’m leaving the conversation.

What the fuck kind of discourse do you think this is where what I want is to continue a conversation with someone who thinks they are fundamentally correct without doubt and simultaneously believes their engagement is so desirable that withdrawing it is an effective gambit.

Fuck off