• LoafyLemon@kbin.social
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      China is successful from the capitalistic point of view, but it failed to uphold the ideals and principles of the system described in the document. The exploitation of the people is through the roof.

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      To further explain my point: Communism is a flawed system that cannot exist in its idealistic form due to the excessive concentration of power in the state, leading to three potential outcomes:

      1. The collapse of the country.
      2. The transformation into a state capitalist system, as seen in China.
      3. The transformation into an authoritarian regime, as seen in North Korea.

      Communism is, in my opinion, a pipe dream because it proposes a classless, stateless society where the means of production are collectively owned and wealth is distributed equally among all members. However, in practice, historical attempts at implementing communism have faced challenges in terms of human nature, central planning inefficiencies, and lack of incentives, leading to economic stagnation, authoritarian rule, and often the collapse of the system.

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      China is communist in name only, in practice they are the definition of State Capitalism. I also wouldn’t describe a dictatorship that commits genocide as a success, in any case.

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        >China is communist in name only, in practice they are the definition of State Capitalism.

        Oh, that’s great, because now you are the guy saying “that’s not communism” instead of the people attacking capitalism. Which is great because I think exactly the same!

        See, East Germany or the USSR also weren’t communist, because there were no democratic elections (contrary to communist ideals), independent courts (contrary to communist ideals), free and independent media (contrary to communist ideals) or opposition parties (contrary to communist ideals).

        It’s almost as if all the “communist” countries you know were not communist at all, but authoritarian.

        You know there were socialist/communist success stories, right? But they were always couped and destroyed by conservatives. Noteworthy examples were the Paris Commune or the communist regions during the Occupation of the Ruhr, who resisted the military occupation of the Ruhr region of Germany by France and Belgium.

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          Are you mixing me up with someone else? That was my first comment in this entire thread so that’s a lot of assumptions to throw on me. Nowhere did I say there weren’t socialist/communist success stories. The person I replied to specifically singled out China as an example of a communist success, all I pointed out is that they’re neither communist nor successful.