You’re in a situation where someone needs to be connected to you with tubes to live. You agree to this, and the tubes are connected. How long are you required to stay connected?
If you want to leave in a week, are you unable to? A month? Two? Nine? A year?
The moment you disconnect those tubes, the person dies. Are you now locked into being connected to this person forever?
Or do you have the right to walk away, because you’re also a human who is making a decision about your own body.
Now add some detriments to the situation. The longer you’re connected, the sicker you feel. The more nutrients they leech, the harder it gets for your body to move. Add in a death rate for fun.
You’re telling me that you are not permitted to make a choice about your body any longer, because at one time you consented to it? (Completely ignoring the fact that this may have been done without consent.)
“If a fetus is a person then consent happened at the time of sex.” Your hypothetical is not relevant to the argument if the person doesnt give consent.
Edge cases are fine, but they are almost always a distraction. And to answer your question, under rape, that is much more tricky and the libertarians that are pro-life will be split on that. So a yet even smaller portion of libertrians will be in favor of “forced birth” in the case of rape. I am not even giving my opinion on the matter, I am just telling you the two viewpoints.
Rape isn’t an edge case. 26,000 rape victims have been forced to give birth in Texas in just 2 years (Source).
In total, the study estimates that 519,981 rapes occurred in those 14 states and 64,565 of them resulted in pregnancy. Researchers further estimated that 9% of those pregnancies occurred in states with legal exceptions for rape, while 91% of them occurred in states with no exceptions.
Texas, a state which has no exceptions for rape or incest, was at the top of the list with an estimated 26,313 rape-related pregnancies, over four times more than the next closest state, Missouri, at 5,825.
So whose body do you want to control based on your personal beliefs that aren’t very widely held and your gut feeling about situations that aren’t comfortable to you?
Liberty is an emotionally difficult stance. It’s bold and demands you permit that which you do not like. You seem to love the idea of holding that stance though you struggle with actually having it. You’re just a sparkling conservative
When it can live outside of another person’s body. Just like how no matter how much I want a kidney that you promised me if you decide that you are no longer willing to undergo surgery to give it to me, even if I’m already knocked out to receive it, you can back out. You are the ultimate master of your body, but so is everyone else.
So, let’s go over a hypothetical.
You’re in a situation where someone needs to be connected to you with tubes to live. You agree to this, and the tubes are connected. How long are you required to stay connected?
If you want to leave in a week, are you unable to? A month? Two? Nine? A year?
The moment you disconnect those tubes, the person dies. Are you now locked into being connected to this person forever?
Or do you have the right to walk away, because you’re also a human who is making a decision about your own body.
Now add some detriments to the situation. The longer you’re connected, the sicker you feel. The more nutrients they leech, the harder it gets for your body to move. Add in a death rate for fun.
You’re telling me that you are not permitted to make a choice about your body any longer, because at one time you consented to it? (Completely ignoring the fact that this may have been done without consent.)
“If a fetus is a person then consent happened at the time of sex.” Your hypothetical is not relevant to the argument if the person doesnt give consent.
Rape doesn’t exist now?
And you’re completely ignoring my comment, to cherry pick the very last line.
Did you really want to go to the edge cases?
Firstly, edge cases are important. You made a generalized statement, and stated it as fact. You don’t see how that’s a problem?
Now are you going to respond to the actual comment, or skirt around the question because it doesn’t suit your narrative to engage such a situation?
Edge cases are fine, but they are almost always a distraction. And to answer your question, under rape, that is much more tricky and the libertarians that are pro-life will be split on that. So a yet even smaller portion of libertrians will be in favor of “forced birth” in the case of rape. I am not even giving my opinion on the matter, I am just telling you the two viewpoints.
Rape isn’t an edge case. 26,000 rape victims have been forced to give birth in Texas in just 2 years (Source).
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So whose body do you want to control based on your personal beliefs that aren’t very widely held and your gut feeling about situations that aren’t comfortable to you?
Liberty is an emotionally difficult stance. It’s bold and demands you permit that which you do not like. You seem to love the idea of holding that stance though you struggle with actually having it. You’re just a sparkling conservative
So when does the fetus get the rights to control their body?
When it can live outside of another person’s body. Just like how no matter how much I want a kidney that you promised me if you decide that you are no longer willing to undergo surgery to give it to me, even if I’m already knocked out to receive it, you can back out. You are the ultimate master of your body, but so is everyone else.
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