• OrangeSlice@lemmy.ml
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    Without a socialist party (as in, completely purged and free of all bourgeois influence), there’s isn’t a whole lot worth voting for at the federal level. Democrats repeatedly show that they are incapable of resisting the Republicans and take L’s constantly (see here).

    I encourage everyone to instead organize with local political orgs that can eventually build this power. The DSA being the largest currently available (and just as flawed as the other options one may have, ofc)

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      If you don’t feel it’s worth keeping as many Rs out of Federal roles, then no amount of examples are going to change your mind.

      You can’t ignore the federal level because the Dems aren’t liberal enough.

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        Here’s an example. More Rs can make it a whole lot more difficult to organize any counter movements, labor, political or otherwise.

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      I’m confused- you call for a socialist party that is completely free of bourgeois influence which I agree with, but then you namedrop the DSA - a “big tent” reformist group. DSA members run as democrats in elections and they endorse democratic candidates, so they definitely aren’t free of bourgeoisie influence.

      The capitalist regime will never allow a peaceful transition of power to a socialist party - through voting or otherwise. History has shown this repeatedly. “Democratic rights” are exercised in a manner that serves the interests of the bourgeoisie, thus democracy is nothing but a smokescreen for the dictatorship of Capital.

      “The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.” --Marx

      Most importantly, we should emphasize internationalism over localism. Capitalism is international and globally inter-linked, so must be the struggle for socialism.

      https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1957/fundamentals.htm

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        I agree with your assesment of the DSA, but our audience here isn’t ready for that. I want them to get into the DSA where we can continue trashing on them until they do something more useful.

        They aren’t going to go from defending Democratic Party failures to Maoist Third-Worldist guerilla fighters (the correct sect of socialists, of course) overnight.

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        Yeah just fixed that, “see here” was meant to refer to this student debt situation in the OP

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          Damn, I was hoping for a well documented compendium of Democrat L’s that have been taken because they’re too cowardly to stand up for their constituents.

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            • Failed to protect gay marriage (until the Supreme Court stepped in and did it for them, could be easily reversed any time by those dipshits)
            • Failed to protect abortion rights (left it to the Supreme Court, and here we are)
            • Failed to abolish any student debt
            • Failed to reduce wealth inequality by any meaningful measure.
            • Failed to promote a peaceful foreign policy (Obama and Biden)
            • Failed to implement card check
            • Failed to win elections with obvious unforced errors like running Hillary Clinton, probably the only political figure more despised than Donald Trump.
            • Failed to deschedule marijuana, and other drugs that aren’t particularly harmful
            • Failed to meaningfully reduce healthcare costs, instead implementing a rebranded “Romneycare” access to insurance reform.