Good to see Argentina is heading on the right track.

Listening to Lemmy you’d think some guy with years of formal education in economics knows nothing about the economy.

Argentina was once one of the richest countries in the world.

There are four kinds of countries: developed, underdeveloped, Japan, and Argentina.

You can’t compare inflation in Argentina and America.

It’s like being hot and being on fire.

No Japan is a monoculture, people move to the cities.

UK is multicultural, people move out of the cities.

For the data I asked for or for the misleading data I mentioned?

You don’t seem to understand my point even remotely. So the conversation is done.

I’m not going through your data dump. You just gisp galloping

Asylum is abused. We are talking economic immigrants here.

We need a data driven decision. Not listening to you who “know” things based on feels.

It’s white nativism, which is a form of racism, whether you are aware or not

See you full of shit because I’m not. The issues with people from Hong Kong, or Japan or the pacific or actual asylum countries crossing their nearest board to get away rather than get to like Ukraine is fine. Even places like Nigeria show much better stats than others. Though total numbers are also important (with the exception of actual issues like Ukraine)

I would love data driven info. That’s what the people want. But also things like culture are exceptionally important to people more so than even money and people should get a vote on it rather being told to accept people that hate homosexuals or treat women like second class citizens just so the ruling class can make more money from houses and cheap wages. You come to a country the least you can do is act like a member of that country.

You just dropped a load of shit without explaining it.

But glancing at it it looks EXACTLY like the point I was making.

Generals and averages I agree immigration can be made to look good. When you go into the details things change. Where does it look at country of origin? Where does it show contributions over life rather than just prime age? Where do you see intergenerational affects? Where does it talk about training instead of filling gaps with foreigners ? Where does it talk about all these effects of different earning percentiles of the population?

When every people go into that level of details things look different.

Plus it doesn’t all come down to money

How many new houses are built by immigrants and how many immigrants are there?

They could built all the houses but absolute numbers matter not percentages.

I’m left leaning thanks.

But free speech is exceptionally important.

So how many people want to live in Manhattan? Bringing in more people will solve the housing issue?

More job programs are the answer to that, not restricting immigration.

Well we can agree on half of that.

Immigrants across the board improve the economy and put more into welfare than they take out. So no, they are not a drain on the economy in any respect.

This is the crux of it. This is the big lie here that is never backed up.

Break down immigration by country of origin, education, even income. Look at the results on lower classes and up classes, look at the affect on housing and jobs. It will not be an improvement across the board for all those things.

But I would love, love, love to see that data. But whenever it is shown it never shows what you claim it does.

Because it isn’t crime either. Immigrants are responsible for less crime per capita than US citizens.

For every group?

Overall I 100% agree with you. That’s what I would expect.

No. That’s poor maths, you’re comparing two entirely different things. This is why so so so many of the arguments and facts about immigration are in poor faith. People massively oversimplify.

Locals primarily.

Where do immigrants live in trees?

Oh course its going to increase any housing shortage.

There is a lot of problems with immigration. Immigration as a whole is different to certain immigration. If you break it down certain countries, certain jobs and certain education levels can cause a net drain on a country.

That’s not to say all immigration is bad. But to think all immigration under any circumstance is good is just a signs of being brainwashed by their side and refusing to look at anything that goes against their view.

So anyone that has 2 million subscribers is automatically right on everything?

That guy makes some crap videos.

Housing prices can be fixed with housing reform and breaking NIMBY, LVT and lowering immigration.

You can be tolerant of intolerance. But its got to be about homophobia, sexism, threats of violence, and hatred of the status quo. But it only works if a minority is doing it.

The problem is the same all over Europe people are unhappy with immigration from MENA.

None of the centre or left parties will deal with it, except in Denmark and Poland which coincidentally have seen lower votes for far right parties. But that’s probably unrelated right.

So yea. Let’s decide who should be in power and what they think of is right goes and ban anyone that thinks differently.

It was just a joke. It was intentionally misleading, but I should have worded it better.

They didn’t fight I just said.

Or we can give them lots of money for being old.

They didn’t fight in two world wars to not be given free money.