Refusing cheaper goods for arbitrary reasons just makes EU look stupid.

In this context we must consider also forced labour in China. We need also transparent supply chains, which is exactly what the Chinese government rejects. Any trade agreement without human rights clauses is useless imo.

I respectfully disagree. It’s not that I say the EU should stop trading with China, but the bloc needs to re(!)-develop an own industry to gain a high level of independence. Europe already had a thriving renewable energy industry in the 2000s (and it decisively helped finance China’s industry). But I agree with your first statements about no remote storage and enforcing EU legal jurisdictions.

Ukraine hits Chinese firms with sanctions after accusing Beijing of arming Russia

The [sanctions] list […] named Beijing Aviation And Aerospace Xianghui Technology Co. Ltd, Rui Jin Machinery Co. Ltd, and Zhongfu Shenying Carbon Fiber Xining Co. Ltd, all described as registered in China.

It did not give details of why they had been added to the sanctions list, which bans companies from doing business in Ukraine and freezes their assets there.

Ukraine exported $8 billion of goods to China in 2021, mostly raw materials and agricultural products, while it imported from China just under $11 billion, mainly in manufactured goods, according to the Ukrainian government.

Accusing people of bad faith without reason just because they disagree with you is one of the most disingenuous things you can do.

I fully agree. Just read many of the comments about the linked article. They do exactly what you portray.

The 50 cent warriors are somewhere else.

Amazing how this thread illustrates how many tankie alt accounts are here on Beehaw already.

Just read the article before you (intentionally?) misinterpret the content:

The admission of Chinese responsibility came during a secret meeting between outgoing Biden administration officials and Chinese representatives on the sidelines of a summit in Geneva in December 2024. […] The Chinese attendants referred indirectly to the activity as being a warning for the US to stay away from any attempts to support or defend Taiwan.

Interesting paper on the topic by Estonia’s International.Centre For Defense And Security (download on the linked page):

Russia’s Hybrid Attacks in Europe: From Deterrence to Attribution to Response

Russia is not unique in using hybrid methods, so their effects and our response are closely followed by other actors, first and foremost China. Autocratic regimes favour hybrid warfare precisely because democratic states struggle with responding directly and proportionally. Hybrid attacks are usually deliberately designed to complicate detection, evade accountability, and hinder decisive responses. Additionally, the targeted nations may lack the capability or the political will to respond effectively.

@WizardOfLoneliness

The U.S. spends ~3.4% of its GDP for military.

Quick reminder that it is Russia that started the war and invaded Ukraine, and that Russia officially spends 40% of its budget for military, that’s ~10% of its GDP (for comparison: the GDP rate in western Europe is around 2%).

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As @[email protected] said, it’s on their Hugging Face site (here the link again: https://huggingface.co/open-thoughts/OpenThinker-32B), just below the first table are all the links.

Model weights, datasets, data generation code, evaluation code, and training code are all publicly available.

The definition says it must include data information (“the complete description of all data used for training, including (if used) of unshareable data, disclosing the provenance of the data, its scope and characteristics, how the data was obtained and selected, the labeling procedures, and data processing and filtering methodologies”), as well as code and paramters. Read your link.

The guys at Hugging Face are working on a more open model based on Deepseek as they also claim it is not fully Open Source.

Thank you for stating that “@[email protected] is likely a paid actor” being baseless. It indeed is, although your hint is not too friendly.

I respectfully disagree. The analysis provides much more input that Deepseek’s press release claiming its USD 5m budget (and some other points -e.g. of being Open Source while it isn’t, and other points.)

From an article on an AI summit in Europe with such a title I would have expected that Eurooean LLM projects are at least mentioned.

As an addition:

Modern slavery in China

Since 2018, evidence of forced labour of Uyghur and other Turkic and Muslim majority peoples has emerged in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (Uyghur Region). […] Forced labour imposed by private actors is also reported, in addition to forced marriage and organ trafficking, with vulnerability primarily driven by discriminatory government practices. While China demonstrated some efforts to tackle modern slavery through sustained coordination at the national and regional levels – including by adopting a new national action plan for 2021 to 2030[…] – its overall response is critically undermined by the use of state-imposed forced labour.

I never believed that myth either, but it’s been around here on Lemmy these days :-)

See my comment above regarding the state actors. The Chinese government apparently tries to influence the narratives on Tiktok.

I would also like to make some criticism of the so-called ‘manufactured consent’. Chomsky and Herman made some points on corporate media, but their conclusion is wrong. People do not consent on news just because they can’t influence the content. You can ‘manufacture the news’ -as is done by corporate media in the U.S. and ‘the West’ as well as in China by the Communist Party- but that does not mean people consent.

China, in particular, has developed sophisticated strategies to control narratives and influence public opinion through digital platforms. This phenomenon, often referred to as “networked authoritarianism,” involves state actors using subtle tactics like algorithmic manipulation and strategic content curation to shape narratives on popular social media platforms.