Ah yes of course. Both Meta and Bluesky have far outrun any federated-short-blogging effort of the Fediverse, and as a result companies will rather want to monetize those. But this is also the paradoxical situation of people in here who both want “the Fediverse to succeed” and “keep corporate interests out of the Fediverse”: Either won’t happen.

Right now it looks more like this’ll remain a hyper-specialized place for specific discussions, Mastodon more so. You can go there for false dichotomies in regards to browser development feedback for example, or for dejected Youtube actual-content-creators getting yelled at for engaging with their community.

But it seems it’ll stay at that. However, this also keeps any monetary interest away from it, so that’s good. Of course, should this ever change and the Fediverse grows more welcoming and that works and it grows bigger, of course the moment users move in (in numbers), advertisers, astroturfers and all will move in with them. That’s just a given.

And partially why I hate this “Just block’em!”-approach to Threads: It assumes the stick-your-fingers-into-your-ears-and-ignore-the-issue approach would ever be an actual solution to any problem. And then when you run into an issue you cannot avoid that way, you have fuck all experience doing something actionable about it, as you’ve never tried before.

You raise an interesting point. With web 2.0, we did the equivalent of all the fediverse stuff blocking meta. And look where that got us. Maybe it’s time for a different approach.

You realize the second part would also happen if the Fediverse “takes off”, yes? Then naturally companies would come in and trivially take things over as there’s money to be made.

It’s a natural end state until governments can be made to curb corporate freedom.

Damn their video introduction gives me 90s and early 2000s vibes. This is like those early 3D-rendered VR experiences on television.

Well, I can’t judge it for everyone personally of course. And I don’t like AI conceptually. But fucking hell if not every single person is constantly interacting with the common chat LLMs. To the point where they actually use Edge because it has it fully integrated. So from a browser-maker perspective, I kinda get it. The users at large seem to have decided that constantly asking an LLM first is “the future”, much as that sucks.

I still don’t like it personally, but so long as it’s default-off, eh, sure. Do it for all the people who care, which frankly seem to be the overwhelming majority most days.

You don’t even have to turn it off, it’s how people always ask them to do it: It’s opt-in.

Well they’re adding more options for people, that’s exactly what people always want them to spend their time on. More options and user choices, default off, seems they’re doing it exactly what people always want them to do? 🤷

In fact you have to explicitly turn it on, as someone else corrected me already. It’s an optional feature for people who enjoy AI chat in a sidebar akin to Edge or so. For the rest of us, it doesn’t change anything.

Container tabs are baked into the browser? 🤷

But one of the devs replied to the expansion thing in the feedback, and says it would not work well as an expansion. I dunno, can’t judge that, never worked on the FF codebase before.

I mean, let’s not forget this is not “putting AI in the browser”. This is just providing a sidebar option that you the user can put AI into, should you want to!

It gives options to users: Exactly what people always tell Mozilla to do.

Why would I say no to them providing a sidebar option for that?

Tons of people love to engage with LLMs, would be utterly assinine of Mozilla to not do something this benign to make it easier to use stuff?

Plus you can just turn it off or not use it. This is just a convenience of access to existing things, nothing newly built or added or so. All the loud whiners in that connect thread just once again show to Mozilla that they are better off never asking for feedback, since people are utterly unable to provide any in a way that is well-adjusted or more adult than a 6y old. >.>

Firefox needs to stay unbloated, unAI’d, and most importantly sincere to it’s original intents.

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Top one is Voyager for me but right below that is Lemmy world

That’s not at all the problem here, no

It has now been finalized as of yesterday, from what I understand. Previously it was a work-in-progress policy change they were still unsure about, and now it’s decided that this is the way going forward.

I reckon sadly at least part of the reason will be that they are in a partnership with OpenAI, and feeding generated stuff into a GenAI breaks the model, so they need to keep SO as non-AI as possible.

Okay, and how would you address it? The limitation is easy to criticize when you can think in a vacuum about it. But in the real world, we’d need to find a way to change things that can actually be implemented by everyone.

Which usually means transformative change.

Why did the Lemmy instances stopped upgrading the version they use?

They’ve done prod deployments in real life before and hence no longer believe in CD?

Both one off from the superior hexagon. The bestagon.

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