There are definitely countries who have done a better job, but remember that the right-wing is always authoritarian and is constantly trying to throw a wrench in democracy. Some countries are able to patch those holes fast, but when the country is very large, in the case of the USA, there are tiny holes popping up all over the place. Eventually it starts to sink and we can’t even tell how.
Left wing governments can be authoritarian too. It’s a concept that spans the left-right divide. You can be a authoritarian centrist if you’re prepared to enforce adherence to your values. It’s just that you probably don’t need to be.
In my option it’s the extremes that need to be authoritarian because nobody would put up with their shit unless they were forced to.
Communism as Engels described it is the abolition of private property. Everything is free to all. However the result is a society with no form or structure.
If you want a loaf of bread you go to a baker, right?
Since you own nothing, you cannot trade for the loaf.
Therefore bread must be free and the baker must give the bread to you and everyone else in the community.
The baker feels he’s getting a raw deal. It’s a lot of work and he has little time for himself.
Tomorrow he decides he’s had enough of baking. He becomes a sculptor reusing his ovens as a kiln.
The community, bereft of bread and starving, rises up against the former baker forcing them to bake the bread community needs.
Now we have forced labour.
And that’s just bread. What about the people that do all the jobs we don’t want to do? Collect rubbish, maintain sewers, or mine minerals?
Communism leads to one of three outcomes IMHO:
All are equal but because no one can rely on the community for anything everyone must be self-sufficient. Human society regresses back to hunter gathering.
People are forced into working roles they don’t want to do to support the broader community. Some people decide those roles (Ruling class). Some people enforce those roles (Enforcing class). Everyone else is subject to those roles (Working Class). An authoritarian totalitarian state.
You give people doing vital jobs needed by the community some kind of recompense. If it’s someTHING you give them, well that’s now private property and you’ll get a trading system soon after. If it’s power or privilege, you’ve invented a class system.
So to answer your question…anything that looks like communism because I don’t see how it doesn’t end in disaster. …and I’m fine with Socialism. I think the ideal is a socialist/capitalist balance.
There are definitely countries who have done a better job, but remember that the right-wing is always authoritarian and is constantly trying to throw a wrench in democracy. Some countries are able to patch those holes fast, but when the country is very large, in the case of the USA, there are tiny holes popping up all over the place. Eventually it starts to sink and we can’t even tell how.
Left wing governments can be authoritarian too. It’s a concept that spans the left-right divide. You can be a authoritarian centrist if you’re prepared to enforce adherence to your values. It’s just that you probably don’t need to be.
In my option it’s the extremes that need to be authoritarian because nobody would put up with their shit unless they were forced to.
What do you consider a left wing extreme that you wouldn’t put up with?
Well… Communism.
Communism as Engels described it is the abolition of private property. Everything is free to all. However the result is a society with no form or structure.
If you want a loaf of bread you go to a baker, right?
And that’s just bread. What about the people that do all the jobs we don’t want to do? Collect rubbish, maintain sewers, or mine minerals?
Communism leads to one of three outcomes IMHO:
So to answer your question…anything that looks like communism because I don’t see how it doesn’t end in disaster. …and I’m fine with Socialism. I think the ideal is a socialist/capitalist balance.
Well, far left is free bread in your home and far right is eating your free bread slice in hand cuffs after you make 100 loaves.
So, which one of those two do you want?
Don’t worry, I also dislike 100% communism for similar reasons. We really just need a society with wealth caps and less corruption.
Can you name these countries. I wanna check if they are open to immigration
Although, do pay attention to neighboring countries.