Featuring Ryan Grim, writer for The Intercept.

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    9 months ago

    More accurately: 100K+ Michigan voters, comprising 13.3% of Democratic Primary voters, chose ‘uncommitted.’ Biden won handily with 81.1%.

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      Yes, this is a Primary which means that they are basically just “polling who the Democrats want as leader”. There is not much to win here.

      This is not a vote for presidency between Biden and Trump.

      Biden needs all of those Michigan votes to beat Trump there when the real election happens in November. Last time it came down to the wire.

      With current percentages Biden will not win. And Michigan is one of the most important states to win.

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        9 months ago

        Those 100K protest votes aren’t going to be switching to Trump in the general election. Trump would be far, far worse for Gaza than Biden.

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          8 months ago

          Aaron Bushnell set himself on fire while yelling Free Palestine. These people are not playing around.

          They won’t be voting for Trump. But if the Genocide doesn’t stop they won’t be voting for Biden either.

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            8 months ago

            So they’ll in effect be handing the election to Trump, who won’t even try for a diplomatic resolution, but instead will fully support Netanyahu in razing Gaza to the ground.

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              8 months ago

              Biden is razing Gaza to the ground already. If Biden does not stop his genocide he will not get votes.

              You can try to but-trump it all you want. The sooner you face that fact that Biden urgently needs to stop his Genocide or lose. the better.

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                8 months ago

                Bullshit like that is why I can’t take you seriously. Biden is not razing Gaza, he’s trying to end the violence there while maintaining ties to a long-term ally that has (hopefully temporarily) gone astray with a right-wing government.

                And pretending that the options are anything but Biden or Trump will get you Trump. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. There is a 100% chance Trump becomes president again if Biden loses, because we have first-past-the-post elections and exactly two viable candidates. Sucks, but that’s reality. The sooner you face that fact, the better.

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      9 months ago

      BUT TRUMP!

      100.000 people in Michigan aren’t But Trumping anymore.

      The sooner you face reality the better. Biden needs to stop funding israel FAST

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        That is quite the reductive and shortsighted take. Now of all times you’re gonna protest and not vote? We are very near to the end of the American democracy experiment and you choose now to stand by single issue ultimatums.

        The irony is by fucking the D vote, you will only have ensured Palestine’s end, in addition to Ukraine and later nato. You played yourself and we all suffer for your braindead mistake

        Do your duty and vote for the lesser evil like every goddamn American citizen that did theirs before you

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          8 months ago

          That’s because OP is an opposition account. Intentional or not.

          The point of all the anti-Biden spamming is to suppress turn out. They’ll never concede Biden is the reasonable up coming choice. They’ll always twist the conversation to how Biden is bad. And you should feel bad for voting for him.

          It’s meant to elicit an emotional response. Make voters feel guilty about making a less than ideal but correct choice. It’s the most effective way of getting people on the left to stay home.

          These kinds of posts have been all over social media since 2016 election. It’s a really common pattern of activity to spot after a while.

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        9 months ago

        Biden isn’t funding Israel. Congress is. Biden is trying to walk a tightrope of maintaining relations with an increasingly extremist ally (to prevent them from going even more extremist) and using diplomacy to defuse the situation in Gaza. He’s doing the best he possibly could in a horrible situation with no “good guys.”

        Should he lose in November to Trump, Trump will immediately abandon Ukraine and try to help Israel completely level Gaza. So your choices are a guy trying hard in an impossible situation, and a guy who will definitely make that impossible situation much, much worse for everyone in every conceivable way.

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          Did my eyes deceive my when Joe Biden tried to get israel 15 Billion dollars?

          Joe Biden has been a fervent Zionist his entire life he is very open about that. And this is not the first time israel started committing war-crimes. Biden is almost as old as israel he knows exactly what they are doing.

          Look cool numbers. Who’s on top here, is that Donald Trump-R?

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                The predictable use of “Zionist” as an epithet for “someone who supports Israeli expansionism and aggression,” when all it really means is “someone who supports Israel’s right to exist.”

                If you support Israel’s right to exist as a country, then you are also a Zionist - even if you disagree with the current Israeli government (as I do).

                As for the money from Biden to Israel, that includes more than three decades, during which Israel’s government has changed drastically. It is also a non sequitur in a discussion of military aid, which I thought we were having. And I stand by my assertion there: The military aid (not private donations) is determined by Congress. They hold the purse strings.

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                  That is not what Zionism means at all. Zionism means a Jewish ethno state where no non-Jews are allowed.

                  Are you saying Jews are not safe in America? Biden sure is.

                  Strange that Biden keeps repeating that he’s a Zionist while israel is Genocide too.

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    8 months ago

    We value constructive and respectful dialogue. Unfortunately, this thread has deviated from those standards Locking because of toxic behavior.

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    What a childish take. Now of all times you’re gonna protest and not vote? We are very near to the end of the American democracy experiment and these people choose now to stand by single issue ultimatums.

    The irony is if they indeed do fuck the D vote, they will only have ensured Palestine’s end, in addition to Ukraine and later nato

    Do your duty and vote for the lesser evil like every goddamn American citizen that did theirs before you