• InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    ‘’Hamas and Iran started this issue’’ – You got to be ridiculous to truly believe this.

    The Palestinian people lived in peace before Israel came to be in 1948. They even took some of the Jewish people in when WW2 was happening.

    Israel took over the land by force (with so called permission of Britain/US?) - Occupation. They drove out 750 000 Palestinian people from their homeland, while also killed many. Apartheid slowly came to be and Palestinian lives got to a horrible state.

    In 1987 Hamas was created to literally fight against the occupation (stolen land) and for the rights of Palestinian people (getting their homeland back, having normal living conditions and such).

    If Israel did not steal the land, drove out 750 000 Palestinians and killed Palestinian people (men, women and children). All this might not even have happened. The entire cause of this is because of the creation of Israel by stealing, murdering and apartheid – which all started in 1948.

    Certainly Israel was and is allowed to exist but not over the backs of the Palestinian folk (people), IE: Murdering men, women and children and Apartheid. That’s where it went wrong.

    Brittain or US could’ve given the Israeli people their own land, like a part of the US or Britain but nope They did not.

    Your ‘’freedom, joy and healthy lives’’ is delusional. People in Gaza are living in constant fear even without the current war. Israel have the entire control within Gaza; What goes out and in (food & drink supplies), electricity and water. They are not even allowed to leave the Gaza strip – Many children have tried and were denied for no apparent reason. You call that ‘’freedom, joy and healthy lives’’?

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      The Palestinian people lived in peace before Israel came to be in 1948.

      uhh hebron massacres? actually the violence was started by palestinians in 1913 when they murdered a non-violent zionist

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        My point still stands, your claim of “Palestinian living in peace” and that “Hamas and Iran” started all this is nonsenses.

        Taking one part of my entire text to ‘counter’ it is nonsense as well.

        However you are right. That murder was wrong as well and should have never happened.

        But I will repeat trying to push this current war on Hamas and Iran is literally trying to mislead people.

        ETA: Because I will repeat; Israel stole land, drove out 750 000 Palestinians while murdering men, women and children of the Palestinians.

        Of course at some point, some (a lot) will lose their mind and fight back in horrible ways.

        If peaceful revolution is not possible, violence revolution is inevitable.

        I will also like to add, Israel has been illegal settlements. Stealing homes of Palestinian people. Just check this video of 2 years ago;

        https://youtu.be/KNqozQ8uaV8?si=htvTecJigR7y3ALk.

        You are telling me; this is living in joy, peace and in a healthy way?

        ETA: Not to mention all Israel tactics of have been in align with Nazi-Germany. All their methods with ethnic cleansing, apartheid and reasoning behind it.

        There’s so many proof of history (articles, books, videos and photos) about it.

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          You are not necessarily wrong but many times don’t mention the other side of the argument. For example, Arab countries displaced 900k Jews.

          It doesn’t mean that all Israel’s were/are right but it’s weird when I hear especially arabs blaming Israel for displacing palestinians when they have done literally the same thing.

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          750 000 Palestinians while murdering men, women and children of the Palestinians.

          that was started by invading arab armies, you start wars you lose land and lives, the initial israel was much smaller. and that initial land was rightfully owned by israelis

          and 1948 UN resolution did not mention palestinians/ palestine, it mentioned a arab state

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            In my country we have an old proverb which can be directly translated to: You can’t straighten up a wet (cloth) thread no matter how hard you try. I don’t know how scientific that is, but the message it implies: When thing is wrong, whatever rhetorical bullahit you throw in to justify your wrongdoings, it will still be wrong.