Cop28: an over the top parody of Don’t Look Up.
I have to try again to watch it. The premise was already hitting you over the head from the beginning but the movie was too badly done to watch through. I really should though
I had the opposite reaction. I thought the movie captured essence of the subject material so exceptionally that I don’t want to see it again, it would just make me depressed. There’s some truth to satire but in this case the satire ended up being too close to the truth. I think COVID did this movie a solid. Without COVID I probably would’ve dismissed the movie as too unrealistically over the top. But with COVID literally keeping me home there were just too many parallels for me to dismiss the movie as “it would never happen, we’re better than that”. Ugh, just thinking about it is getting me down.
It was so on point in a lot of things, it wasn’t satire, it was basically a documentary. I love that movie. And also hate it. For the same reasons as you do.
That’s also what I loved it the Death To 2020 and Death To 2021 movies by Charlie Booker. They’re mockumentaries when they were released, but now, just 2 years later, they’ve gotten less “far from reality”, to put it that way.
we’re for the jobs the comet will bring
Just think of all the flood barriers we will have to build!
We’re all gonna die from climate collapse soon, aren’t we?
If you’re able to post on Lemmy, your country is probably going to be fine for a hundred years or more. Already impoverished places on the other hand are unfortunately going to be hit the hardest in 50 or fewer.
And where do you think those impoverished places will migrate to?
If you think we now have a migration crisis, think again.
Though thanks to technological and social advancements life in those countries is getting better at an impressive rate, of course people in affluent countries are fighting this progress every step of the way but it’s still happening.
Natural language information systems and sensor driven automation for example enable things like lowering the cost of basic healthcare to almost zero while vastly improving it’s scope and quality - sadly many people, for example many I see here on lemmy, are fighting these developments in various ways; trying to purposely poison datasets used to develop the vital tools that will enable this, boycotting places that use these technologies, and trying to agitate for heavy handed legislation to cripple their development such as intense and absurd new forms of copyright law.
I won’t write the million word essay I want to about the ways these technologies could totally change the game and enable a huge efficiency boost that allows us not only to halt climate destruction but to reverse it - it’s all pretty obvious though, robots building and maintaining ecologically’ friendly structures will enable things currently impossible, especially with automated design tools facilitating implementation of rapidly developing technologies.
But it’s hip to be negative and for reasons I simply can’t grasp a huge amount of very vocal people are fighting to preserve the current awful state of things - they want human potential to be wasted working in shitty manual jobs and corporate wage slavery for the rest of human history. They want building designs to remain limited by human ability and availability of skills, they want a system where poor people can’t afford to live decent healthy lives due to the inescapable math of it requiring more human labour to live well than any one person can produce therefore for some to live well a caste system must exist whereby those above get a larger share of the production potential thus leaving the lower classes without the means to have a fair return on their work.
But the people who really suffer are the children working in coffee plantations and chocolate manufacture, in cobalt mines and wheat fields, in sweatshops and prison factories… No one cares about them, people love to pretend to care of course but they’ll fight against things that could improve their lives simply because they fear change or because they’re greedy about the most absurd shit - they try to make it impossible to train natural language models because ‘it’s stealing my IP by training on the nonsence I post to the internet’ and a dozen other silly statements that all boil down to ‘I don’t want things to change for the better because I’m doing ok’
Commuter aided design could help solve the logistical problems that create privation and which cause ecological and climate damage, they could massively reduce the cost of living for everyone and improve our lives in pretty much every way - to get there we need to have natural language tools and Computer Vision tools. like a tech tree in a video game, LLMs like chat GPT and general purpose CV like stable diffusion are vital if we’re going to unlock things like digital triage, diagnosis, and treatment (not just of people either but imagine actually being able to repair your TV because the computer looked at it and said ‘test this capacitor by using this setting and placing the probes here, a new cap will cost a dollar and I can order it from a company that meets your code of conduct’)
What I’m saying is there’s massive hope for the future but people fight it and deny it because they love misery,
So somehow you managed to exploit climate change to sell corrupt and broken art-stealing LLMs. I don’t know whether I should be disappointed or impressed.
You want to maintain the system that keeps billions in poverty simply so you can try and cling to a privileged position in society. You’re as sick as Elon Musk except his selfishness actually benefits him, you’re trapping yourself in a worse existence just through selfish greed, then you have the hilarious pretence of doing it for morality.
The world can be depressing and cruel but fuck it’s funny sometimes.
And now you’re derailing the thread.
Okay, ignoring you now
What you mean is ‘oh yeah good point, I’ll pretend you’re a baddie and claim my inability to answer is actually the moral high ground’ thanks
Well, no. Some of us will die from the wars started due to climate collapse.
And some of us will die from the after effects, as agriculture, trade, and civilization break down
Agriculture doesn’t have to break down. We will probably have to start farming vertically though, which needs a looot of energy. But it should also be more sustainable since we can grow everything closer to where people live.
I love the idea of vertical farms, especially with being able to use physical barriers instead of pesticides and herbicides, but I do wonder if it can really replace the hundreds of millions of acres currently used for farming in the US alone.
Well, a lot of that is used for feeding animals, so if everyone would go more or least completely vegan, you’d need a lot less of those farms.
All these fossil fuel addicts don’t realize that their home-countries won’t support human life anymore in a few decades. And they have so much money, that pivoting their investments to renewables would be no problem, even profitable for them and their offspring some financial experts might say. But they won’t because the wells aren’t dry yet.
The rulers of today have already bought nice chunks of London, Paris, New York. They’ll be fine.
Those are also locations that won’t support human life in the future.
The only place will be Antarctica.
Ive lost hope in humanity changing and actually solving climate change a long time ago.
Fair enough. Climate scientists have been warning for the past half century, and now that we are starting to feel the effects, slowly change is starting to come in. We are wayyyyyy too late. Of course we should keep up our efforts but the world and biodiversity as we know it is beyond saving.
I don’t believe we ever did, no.
There’s a small chance something devastating won’t happen before big changes happen to try and reverse climate change but odds are a lot of shit is gonna happen that’s gonna lead to a lot of people dying. Not end of the world shit, but a lot of people are gonna suffer because of greed and lack of improving the world
Don’t let this stop you. Wind and solar is cheap - often the biggest barrier is NIMBY not allowing construction, so demand your local/national political climate stop that. Allow solar by right on any roof. Allow wind turbines by right on all ag land. Encourage your utilities to put in storage systems to use that renewable energy “when the wind doesn’t blow”. Encourage good programs to buy renewable power over fossil power (everyone should pay for their share of the power lines and storage batteries - this is a large part of the cost of power)
Electric cars are already becoming popular. There are many things that you can do to encourage that. Better yet, your can encourage great transport in your city (most cities don’t have great transit!)
There are many areas already running their grid on a majority renewable power. We know this works.
The above measures won’t get rid of all fossil fuels, but they get rid of the vast majority. They work with today’s technology as well, and are affordable without subsidies!. No need to invest anything new/more. Just ensure that laws don’t get in the way.
beep beep. freeze some embryos and program bots to thaw in a thousand years. books on tape ftw
Just make sure no one named Ted Faro gets anywhere near the project.
That’s why I’ve been honing my bow, spear, and computer hacking skills.
I HATE him. Who Ruins the species twice. Worst person to ever exist in any fiction. If him, hitler, and Stalin were in a room and I had 6 bullets I’ll put all 6 in Ted and continue to beat his corpse.
Raised by wolves or horizon zero dawn was like that.
Not the outcome I hoped for but 💯 the outcome we all expected
Sadly it affected profits.
We can not put an end to scorching the earth, because a Sheik wants to build a 170-kilometre-long and 200 meter wide city in the desert.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Ultimately, draft language explicitly calling for the phaseout of fossil fuels was stricken from the final text of agreements brokered at this year’s climate talks.
It mirrors language in a recent letter addressed to participating governments from COP28 president Sultan Ahmed Al Jaber — who also happens to be the CEO of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company.
The UN’s decision to hold the summit in the United Arab Emirates, a major oil and gas producer, wound up giving the fossil fuel industry unprecedented access.
Then the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) sent a letter to its member states pressuring them to “proactively reject any text or formula that targets energy i.e. fossil fuels rather than emissions.”
“This text is a step forward on our path towards phasing out fossil fuels, but is not the historic decision we hoped for … given the overwhelming momentum among countries in support of a renewable energy package and a long overdue fossil fuel phase out, we needed a far more ambitious result.” Andreas Sieber, associate director of policy and campaigns for environmental group 350.org, said in a statement before the draft agreement was finalized at the conference’s closing plenary.
Leading up to the conference, the world’s biggest greenhouse gas polluters — the US and China — committed to working toward that goal together when each country’s climate envoys met in California in November.
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I’m 42 and I don’t remember a time when it wasn’t obvious that we needed to phase out fossil fuels. Global warming was already known. The 70’s oil crises had even convinced conservative politicians that “energy independence” was an important goal even if they couldn’t grasp the concept of an energy transition. The Exxon Valdez spill happened when I was in elementary school. (We did a “science experiment” where we put canola oil and water in containers and used different materials to remove the oil.)
Fossil fuels have been obviously awful for at least 5 decades. Imagine how much less CO2 would be in the air if in 1985, we got on the good timeline instead of the “Biff becomes president” timeline.
Have you ever considered that first world nations are just going to use whatever energy source is the cheapest until it is no longer the cheapest?
Then we’d be doing fission. Fossil fuels aren’t required to pay for their externalities the way nuclear is, not to mention that the fossil companies have spent decades lobbying and campaigning to keep from having to be responsible for their own bullshit, as well as campaigning to make other forms of energy seem / be less viable (either through PR messaging or regulatory capture).
Are you saying that nuclear is cheaper than renewables?
Maybe cheaper than renewables and grid scale batteries over the lifetime of the reactor. Perhaps you could correct me, but my understanding is that grid scale battery facilities don’t even exist yet. Given the current state of battery technology, you’d need to replace the batteries at that facility in, what, seven years? Ten is really pushing it, right? That’s not going to be cheap.
Nuclear is 2-4 times more expensive and grid scale batteries (the most costly way of storing power) are already being used.
Grid scale batteries for solar day/night cycles can work. There is no good solution for seasonal fluctuations. Of course, a very large part of Earth’s population lives in close proximity to the equator with far less seasonal influences. It’s just unfortunate that those that pollute most (per capita) do not.
Wind works great at higher latitudes but what we need to be looking at is high voltage DC lines to transfer power over long distances with minimal loss.
In the alternative universe we’d have been building fission power for decades when it was cheaper than renewables, and it would still be running today.
In this universe we didn’t though, I’m not sure why the multiverse is relevant here.
We were talking about power strategies from the 1980s and the person above said it would just be the “cheapest”. If countries really were just building the cheapest, it would not have been renewables back then.
We were already talking about a counterfactual.
I guess. If we’re in this hypothetical alternative universe then those plants built in the 80’s would be at the end of their lives and we’d be looking to spend a fortune to replace them with new nuclear or we’d be saving money by building renewables.
I’m still not sure what this line if discussion is accomplishing though.
